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		<title>By: Jacare</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fariah, who is Sadiq Khan?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;180&#039;,&#039;Jacare&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;180&#039;,&#039;Jacare&#039;,&#039;Fariah, who is Sadiq Khan?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fariah, who is Sadiq Khan?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('180','Jacare'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('180','Jacare','Fariah, who is Sadiq Khan?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: fariah</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>fariah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mother Damnable that&#039;s very kind of you to have spared some timeto visit this blog. You do understand where all our views and lifestyle come from. I hope by visiting this blog you would have a very different outlook about Islam and it&#039;s true followers.

People like Sadik Khan just claim to be a part of the Ummah (Muslim brotherhood- which trancends all geographical boundaries and racial backgrounds to unite the muslims into a single body)but when their testing time comes they very conveniently forgo their Islamic principles. We need to free our society from such traitors by exposing their treachery.

I visited your blog it is quite colorful and helps us see the soft side of yours though you have chosen quite an unpleasant name for yourself!!!lol!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;179&#039;,&#039;fariah&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;179&#039;,&#039;fariah&#039;,&#039;Mother Damnable that\&#039;s very kind of you to have spared some timeto visit this blog. You do understand where all our views and lifestyle come from. I hope by visiting this blog you would have a very different outlook about Islam and it\&#039;s true followers.\n\nPeople like Sadik Khan just claim to be a part of the Ummah (Muslim brotherhood- which trancends all geographical boundaries and racial backgrounds to unite the muslims into a single body)but when their testing time comes they very conveniently forgo their Islamic principles. We need to free our society from such traitors by exposing their treachery.\n\nI visited your blog it is quite colorful and helps us see the soft side of yours though you have chosen quite an unpleasant name for yourself!!!lol!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mother Damnable that&#8217;s very kind of you to have spared some timeto visit this blog. You do understand where all our views and lifestyle come from. I hope by visiting this blog you would have a very different outlook about Islam and it&#8217;s true followers.</p>
<p>People like Sadik Khan just claim to be a part of the Ummah (Muslim brotherhood- which trancends all geographical boundaries and racial backgrounds to unite the muslims into a single body)but when their testing time comes they very conveniently forgo their Islamic principles. We need to free our society from such traitors by exposing their treachery.</p>
<p>I visited your blog it is quite colorful and helps us see the soft side of yours though you have chosen quite an unpleasant name for yourself!!!lol!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('179','fariah'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('179','fariah','Mother Damnable that\'s very kind of you to have spared some timeto visit this blog. You do understand where all our views and lifestyle come from. I hope by visiting this blog you would have a very different outlook about Islam and it\'s true followers.\n\nPeople like Sadik Khan just claim to be a part of the Ummah (Muslim brotherhood- which trancends all geographical boundaries and racial backgrounds to unite the muslims into a single body)but when their testing time comes they very conveniently forgo their Islamic principles. We need to free our society from such traitors by exposing their treachery.\n\nI visited your blog it is quite colorful and helps us see the soft side of yours though you have chosen quite an unpleasant name for yourself!!!lol!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mother Damnable</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Mother Damnable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brothers and Sisters,

I met some sisters on the march today and they said I could drop by your blog, I hope that&#039;s ok with you?

Sadik Khan is the MP for the area in which I live, so I was sorry to read he is not upholding his obligations.

Please feel free to drop by my blog anytime and comment as you wish.

I realise we may have differences but as I truly believe we are all brothers and sisters and what hurts one of us hurts us all I think we may have more in common than first appears.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;178&#039;,&#039;Mother Damnable&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;178&#039;,&#039;Mother Damnable&#039;,&#039;Hi Brothers and Sisters,\n\nI met some sisters on the march today and they said I could drop by your blog, I hope that\&#039;s ok with you?\n\nSadik Khan is the MP for the area in which I live, so I was sorry to read he is not upholding his obligations.\n\nPlease feel free to drop by my blog anytime and comment as you wish.\n\nI realise we may have differences but as I truly believe we are all brothers and sisters and what hurts one of us hurts us all I think we may have more in common than first appears.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brothers and Sisters,</p>
<p>I met some sisters on the march today and they said I could drop by your blog, I hope that&#8217;s ok with you?</p>
<p>Sadik Khan is the MP for the area in which I live, so I was sorry to read he is not upholding his obligations.</p>
<p>Please feel free to drop by my blog anytime and comment as you wish.</p>
<p>I realise we may have differences but as I truly believe we are all brothers and sisters and what hurts one of us hurts us all I think we may have more in common than first appears.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('178','Mother Damnable'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('178','Mother Damnable','Hi Brothers and Sisters,\n\nI met some sisters on the march today and they said I could drop by your blog, I hope that\'s ok with you?\n\nSadik Khan is the MP for the area in which I live, so I was sorry to read he is not upholding his obligations.\n\nPlease feel free to drop by my blog anytime and comment as you wish.\n\nI realise we may have differences but as I truly believe we are all brothers and sisters and what hurts one of us hurts us all I think we may have more in common than first appears.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Shaykh Rattle 'n' Roll</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaykh Rattle 'n' Roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;House of Parliament&lt;/B&gt;
&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/mpdb/html/639.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mohammed Sarwar&lt;/A&gt; (Labour MP)

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/mpdb/html/38.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Khalid Mahmood&lt;/A&gt; (Labour MP)

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sadiq Khan&lt;/A&gt; (Labour MP)

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Shahid_Malik&amp;mpc=Dewsbury&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shahid Malik&lt;/A&gt; (Labour MP)

&lt;B&gt;House of &quot;Lords&quot;&lt;/B&gt;
&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/features/people/lord.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Lord&quot; Nazir Ahmed&lt;/A&gt; (Labour Peer)

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.baronessuddin.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baroness Uddin&lt;/A&gt; (Labour Peer) &lt;I&gt;[has a blog on blogger.com]&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.obv.org.uk/blackpolitician/peer-bhatia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Lord&quot; Amirali Alibhai Bhatia&lt;/A&gt; (Crossbench peer)

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.obv.org.uk/blackpolitician/peer-patelhf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Lord&quot; Adam Hafejee Patel&lt;/A&gt; (Crossbench peer)

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ethnic-minority.libdems.org/General%20election%202005/taskforce%20biogs/baroness_kishwer_faulkner.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baroness Kishwer Faulkner&lt;/A&gt; (Lib Dem peer)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;177&#039;,&#039;Shaykh Rattle \&#039;n\&#039; Roll&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;177&#039;,&#039;Shaykh Rattle \&#039;n\&#039; Roll&#039;,&#039;&lt;B&gt;House of Parliament&lt;\/B&gt;\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/shared\/mpdb\/html\/639.stm\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Mohammed Sarwar&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/shared\/mpdb\/html\/38.stm\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Khalid Mahmood&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.sadiqkhan.org.uk\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Sadiq Khan&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.publicwhip.org.uk\/mp.php?mpn=Shahid_Malik&amp;mpc=Dewsbury\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Shahid Malik&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;B&gt;House of \&quot;Lords\&quot;&lt;\/B&gt;\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/religion\/religions\/islam\/features\/people\/lord.shtml\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;Lord\&quot; Nazir Ahmed&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour Peer)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.baronessuddin.com\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Baroness Uddin&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour Peer) &lt;I&gt;&#91;has a blog on blogger.com&#93;&lt;\/I&gt;\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.obv.org.uk\/blackpolitician\/peer-bhatia.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;Lord\&quot; Amirali Alibhai Bhatia&lt;\/A&gt; (Crossbench peer)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.obv.org.uk\/blackpolitician\/peer-patelhf.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;Lord\&quot; Adam Hafejee Patel&lt;\/A&gt; (Crossbench peer)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.ethnic-minority.libdems.org\/General%20election%202005\/taskforce%20biogs\/baroness_kishwer_faulkner.htm\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Baroness Kishwer Faulkner&lt;\/A&gt; (Lib Dem peer)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>House of Parliament</b><br />
<a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/mpdb/html/639.stm" rel="nofollow">Mohammed Sarwar</a> (Labour MP)</p>
<p><a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/mpdb/html/38.stm" rel="nofollow">Khalid Mahmood</a> (Labour MP)</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">Sadiq Khan</a> (Labour MP)</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Shahid_Malik&amp;mpc=Dewsbury" rel="nofollow">Shahid Malik</a> (Labour MP)</p>
<p><b>House of &#8220;Lords&#8221;</b><br />
<a HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/features/people/lord.shtml" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Lord&#8221; Nazir Ahmed</a> (Labour Peer)</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.baronessuddin.com/" rel="nofollow">Baroness Uddin</a> (Labour Peer) <i>[has a blog on blogger.com]</i></p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.obv.org.uk/blackpolitician/peer-bhatia.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Lord&#8221; Amirali Alibhai Bhatia</a> (Crossbench peer)</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.obv.org.uk/blackpolitician/peer-patelhf.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Lord&#8221; Adam Hafejee Patel</a> (Crossbench peer)</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.ethnic-minority.libdems.org/General%20election%202005/taskforce%20biogs/baroness_kishwer_faulkner.htm" rel="nofollow">Baroness Kishwer Faulkner</a> (Lib Dem peer)
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('177','Shaykh Rattle \'n\' Roll'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('177','Shaykh Rattle \'n\' Roll','&lt;B&gt;House of Parliament&lt;\/B&gt;\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/shared\/mpdb\/html\/639.stm\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Mohammed Sarwar&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/shared\/mpdb\/html\/38.stm\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Khalid Mahmood&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.sadiqkhan.org.uk\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Sadiq Khan&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.publicwhip.org.uk\/mp.php?mpn=Shahid_Malik&amp;amp;mpc=Dewsbury\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Shahid Malik&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour MP)\n\n&lt;B&gt;House of \&quot;Lords\&quot;&lt;\/B&gt;\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/religion\/religions\/islam\/features\/people\/lord.shtml\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;Lord\&quot; Nazir Ahmed&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour Peer)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.baronessuddin.com\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Baroness Uddin&lt;\/A&gt; (Labour Peer) &lt;I&gt;&amp;#91;has a blog on blogger.com&amp;#93;&lt;\/I&gt;\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.obv.org.uk\/blackpolitician\/peer-bhatia.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;Lord\&quot; Amirali Alibhai Bhatia&lt;\/A&gt; (Crossbench peer)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.obv.org.uk\/blackpolitician\/peer-patelhf.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;Lord\&quot; Adam Hafejee Patel&lt;\/A&gt; (Crossbench peer)\n\n&lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.ethnic-minority.libdems.org\/General%20election%202005\/taskforce%20biogs\/baroness_kishwer_faulkner.htm\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Baroness Kishwer Faulkner&lt;\/A&gt; (Lib Dem peer)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Phu</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Phu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the considered responses, I think you&#039;ve helped me understand this issue that much more, and I wholeheartedly appreciate what you&#039;re both saying.

&quot;It is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.&quot;

I would think this is a common problem, many non-Muslims will never hear ideas like those here, and that ignorance mixed with the unfortunately prejudiced nature of the majority don&#039;t paint a pretty picture.

&quot;I am sinful if my neighbours - 7 houses on either side - are hungry while I have food. It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not. I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.&quot;

shaykh: if only everyone thought like that.

Off point but your comment here reminded me of something I read today, that the UK is accepting more debt money FROM Nigeria than it is giving to all African countries put together.

hardly love thy neighbour...


Incidentally, are the four MPs who voted for the ninety day legislation the only Muslims in parliament?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;176&#039;,&#039;Phu&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;176&#039;,&#039;Phu&#039;,&#039;Thanks for the considered responses, I think you\&#039;ve helped me understand this issue that much more, and I wholeheartedly appreciate what you\&#039;re both saying.\n\n\&quot;It is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.\&quot;\n\nI would think this is a common problem, many non-Muslims will never hear ideas like those here, and that ignorance mixed with the unfortunately prejudiced nature of the majority don\&#039;t paint a pretty picture.\n\n\&quot;I am sinful if my neighbours - 7 houses on either side - are hungry while I have food. It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not. I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.\&quot;\n\nshaykh: if only everyone thought like that.\n\nOff point but your comment here reminded me of something I read today, that the UK is accepting more debt money FROM Nigeria than it is giving to all African countries put together.\n\nhardly love thy neighbour...\n\n\nIncidentally, are the four MPs who voted for the ninety day legislation the only Muslims in parliament?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the considered responses, I think you&#8217;ve helped me understand this issue that much more, and I wholeheartedly appreciate what you&#8217;re both saying.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would think this is a common problem, many non-Muslims will never hear ideas like those here, and that ignorance mixed with the unfortunately prejudiced nature of the majority don&#8217;t paint a pretty picture.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am sinful if my neighbours &#8211; 7 houses on either side &#8211; are hungry while I have food. It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not. I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.&#8221;</p>
<p>shaykh: if only everyone thought like that.</p>
<p>Off point but your comment here reminded me of something I read today, that the UK is accepting more debt money FROM Nigeria than it is giving to all African countries put together.</p>
<p>hardly love thy neighbour&#8230;</p>
<p>Incidentally, are the four MPs who voted for the ninety day legislation the only Muslims in parliament?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('176','Phu'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('176','Phu','Thanks for the considered responses, I think you\'ve helped me understand this issue that much more, and I wholeheartedly appreciate what you\'re both saying.\n\n\&quot;It is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.\&quot;\n\nI would think this is a common problem, many non-Muslims will never hear ideas like those here, and that ignorance mixed with the unfortunately prejudiced nature of the majority don\'t paint a pretty picture.\n\n\&quot;I am sinful if my neighbours - 7 houses on either side - are hungry while I have food. It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not. I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.\&quot;\n\nshaykh: if only everyone thought like that.\n\nOff point but your comment here reminded me of something I read today, that the UK is accepting more debt money FROM Nigeria than it is giving to all African countries put together.\n\nhardly love thy neighbour...\n\n\nIncidentally, are the four MPs who voted for the ninety day legislation the only Muslims in parliament?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Babs-M</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Babs-M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Phu and Shaykh rattle &#039;n&#039; roll.

Excellent comments.  I just want to add something:

Phu asked: &quot;Is it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?&quot;

When someone from Britain goes on holiday to another country they abide by those laws because British Secular values encourage it.  Their allegience does not temporarily shift from Britain to Spain or Jordon for a week or so whilst they spend their holiday there.  Rather, their allegience remains with Britain and it is this allegience that induces them to respect the law of the country that they are in.

This is the same for Muslims.  A true Muslim can never have allegience to any Law other than the Law of Allah.  But it is the Shariah that encourages, no obliges, a Muslim to obey and respect the law of the land he/she resides in as long as it does not contravene Islam (as shaykh rattle &#039;n&#039; roll explained above).  

It is my allegience to Shariah that requires me to never be isolationist.  A Muslim must interact with the society he/she is in.  However, there are limitations to this.  One of them is that legislation must be left solely for Allah.

This is why the Government should not be concerned with Muslims who only have allegience to Islam because these Muslims are the ones that will interact the most and try to be a service to the host country they live in.  

It is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.  What concerns me is that this intolerant and somewhat dogmatic view that Blair (and some non-Muslims) seem to have is what is driving the Muslims away from having any fruitful relationships with Britain at all.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;175&#039;,&#039;Babs-M&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;175&#039;,&#039;Babs-M&#039;,&#039;Hi Phu and Shaykh rattle \&#039;n\&#039; roll.\n\nExcellent comments.  I just want to add something:\n\nPhu asked: \&quot;Is it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?\&quot;\n\nWhen someone from Britain goes on holiday to another country they abide by those laws because British Secular values encourage it.  Their allegience does not temporarily shift from Britain to Spain or Jordon for a week or so whilst they spend their holiday there.  Rather, their allegience remains with Britain and it is this allegience that induces them to respect the law of the country that they are in.\n\nThis is the same for Muslims.  A true Muslim can never have allegience to any Law other than the Law of Allah.  But it is the Shariah that encourages, no obliges, a Muslim to obey and respect the law of the land he\/she resides in as long as it does not contravene Islam (as shaykh rattle \&#039;n\&#039; roll explained above).  \n\nIt is my allegience to Shariah that requires me to never be isolationist.  A Muslim must interact with the society he\/she is in.  However, there are limitations to this.  One of them is that legislation must be left solely for Allah.\n\nThis is why the Government should not be concerned with Muslims who only have allegience to Islam because these Muslims are the ones that will interact the most and try to be a service to the host country they live in.  \n\nIt is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.  What concerns me is that this intolerant and somewhat dogmatic view that Blair (and some non-Muslims) seem to have is what is driving the Muslims away from having any fruitful relationships with Britain at all.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phu and Shaykh rattle &#8216;n&#8217; roll.</p>
<p>Excellent comments.  I just want to add something:</p>
<p>Phu asked: &#8220;Is it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?&#8221;</p>
<p>When someone from Britain goes on holiday to another country they abide by those laws because British Secular values encourage it.  Their allegience does not temporarily shift from Britain to Spain or Jordon for a week or so whilst they spend their holiday there.  Rather, their allegience remains with Britain and it is this allegience that induces them to respect the law of the country that they are in.</p>
<p>This is the same for Muslims.  A true Muslim can never have allegience to any Law other than the Law of Allah.  But it is the Shariah that encourages, no obliges, a Muslim to obey and respect the law of the land he/she resides in as long as it does not contravene Islam (as shaykh rattle &#8216;n&#8217; roll explained above).  </p>
<p>It is my allegience to Shariah that requires me to never be isolationist.  A Muslim must interact with the society he/she is in.  However, there are limitations to this.  One of them is that legislation must be left solely for Allah.</p>
<p>This is why the Government should not be concerned with Muslims who only have allegience to Islam because these Muslims are the ones that will interact the most and try to be a service to the host country they live in.  </p>
<p>It is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.  What concerns me is that this intolerant and somewhat dogmatic view that Blair (and some non-Muslims) seem to have is what is driving the Muslims away from having any fruitful relationships with Britain at all.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('175','Babs-M'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('175','Babs-M','Hi Phu and Shaykh rattle \'n\' roll.\n\nExcellent comments.  I just want to add something:\n\nPhu asked: \&quot;Is it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?\&quot;\n\nWhen someone from Britain goes on holiday to another country they abide by those laws because British Secular values encourage it.  Their allegience does not temporarily shift from Britain to Spain or Jordon for a week or so whilst they spend their holiday there.  Rather, their allegience remains with Britain and it is this allegience that induces them to respect the law of the country that they are in.\n\nThis is the same for Muslims.  A true Muslim can never have allegience to any Law other than the Law of Allah.  But it is the Shariah that encourages, no obliges, a Muslim to obey and respect the law of the land he\/she resides in as long as it does not contravene Islam (as shaykh rattle \'n\' roll explained above).  \n\nIt is my allegience to Shariah that requires me to never be isolationist.  A Muslim must interact with the society he\/she is in.  However, there are limitations to this.  One of them is that legislation must be left solely for Allah.\n\nThis is why the Government should not be concerned with Muslims who only have allegience to Islam because these Muslims are the ones that will interact the most and try to be a service to the host country they live in.  \n\nIt is incorrect to think that the only way Muslims can have a positive impact on British Society is by adopting its values or joining the political paths laid out by Government.  What concerns me is that this intolerant and somewhat dogmatic view that Blair (and some non-Muslims) seem to have is what is driving the Muslims away from having any fruitful relationships with Britain at all.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaykh Rattle 'n' Roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This example helped me to better understand the principle being discussed:

Let us imagine that Tony Blair woke up tomorrow and decided to make the following offer (haha!):  &lt;I&gt;&quot;We&#039;ll go through a book of Islamic laws, and vote on all of them, one by one&quot;.&lt;/I&gt;

Now even if &lt;B&gt;every&lt;/B&gt; law was voted for, we would still not have an Islamic system.  The fact that we had a say in which laws were accepted would make this system unislamic.  The shariah is designed to be implemented &lt;I&gt;completely&lt;/I&gt; and it &lt;B&gt;&quot;is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.&quot;&lt;/B&gt; &lt;I&gt;[Qur&#039;an 33:36]&lt;/I&gt;

(See my previous post about Machiavelli)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;174&#039;,&#039;Shaykh Rattle \&#039;n\&#039; Roll&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;174&#039;,&#039;Shaykh Rattle \&#039;n\&#039; Roll&#039;,&#039;This example helped me to better understand the principle being discussed:\n\nLet us imagine that Tony Blair woke up tomorrow and decided to make the following offer (haha!):  &lt;I&gt;\&quot;We\&#039;ll go through a book of Islamic laws, and vote on all of them, one by one\&quot;.&lt;\/I&gt;\n\nNow even if &lt;B&gt;every&lt;\/B&gt; law was voted for, we would still not have an Islamic system.  The fact that we had a say in which laws were accepted would make this system unislamic.  The shariah is designed to be implemented &lt;I&gt;completely&lt;\/I&gt; and it &lt;B&gt;\&quot;is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.\&quot;&lt;\/B&gt; &lt;I&gt;&#91;Qur\&#039;an 33:36&#93;&lt;\/I&gt;\n\n(See my previous post about Machiavelli)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This example helped me to better understand the principle being discussed:</p>
<p>Let us imagine that Tony Blair woke up tomorrow and decided to make the following offer (haha!):  <i>&#8220;We&#8217;ll go through a book of Islamic laws, and vote on all of them, one by one&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>Now even if <b>every</b> law was voted for, we would still not have an Islamic system.  The fact that we had a say in which laws were accepted would make this system unislamic.  The shariah is designed to be implemented <i>completely</i> and it <b>&#8220;is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.&#8221;</b> <i>[Qur'an 33:36]</i></p>
<p>(See my previous post about Machiavelli)
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('174','Shaykh Rattle \'n\' Roll'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('174','Shaykh Rattle \'n\' Roll','This example helped me to better understand the principle being discussed:\n\nLet us imagine that Tony Blair woke up tomorrow and decided to make the following offer (haha!):  &lt;I&gt;\&quot;We\'ll go through a book of Islamic laws, and vote on all of them, one by one\&quot;.&lt;\/I&gt;\n\nNow even if &lt;B&gt;every&lt;\/B&gt; law was voted for, we would still not have an Islamic system.  The fact that we had a say in which laws were accepted would make this system unislamic.  The shariah is designed to be implemented &lt;I&gt;completely&lt;\/I&gt; and it &lt;B&gt;\&quot;is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.\&quot;&lt;\/B&gt; &lt;I&gt;&amp;#91;Qur\'an 33:36&amp;#93;&lt;\/I&gt;\n\n(See my previous post about Machiavelli)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Shaykh Rattle 'n' Roll</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2005/11/our-brothers-in-parliament.html/comment-page-1#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaykh Rattle 'n' Roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Phu:&lt;/B&gt;

Thanks for your comment.  My statement was not meant to indicate that a Muslim cannot be part British society (or any society).  In fact it is a religious obligation on me and every other Muslim.  

I would even go as far as to say that all British MPs are necessarily members of British society, and that specifically the Muslim MPs are ostensibly a part of the Ummah (the worldwide body of Muslims).

My statement was specifically about service to a master.

I am quite willing to follow the laws of this country, or any other country assuming that it does not offend my principles as a Muslim.  For example, if it becomes unlawful under British law to pray 5 times a day, I would be forced to challenge the law or to leave Britain.  

Even if one was to consider religion as a source of &quot;morals&quot;, this would be the case for everyone.  It is not OK for soldiers to &quot;just follow orders&quot;, like in the holocaust, when the orders contravene the moral actions expected of a human being.

For Muslims, the source of our &quot;moral&quot; code is Islam.

I fully agree that we live in a shared society.  This is a plain statement of fact, as is the fact that we are linked.  There is nothing in Islam that contradicts this idea; indeed it is part and parcel of our understanding of the will of God.

Let me give two simple examples of this complex topic:  I am sinful if my neighbours - 7 houses on either side - are hungry while I have food.  It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not.  I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.

Example 2:  If I see a woman being attacked (sexually, for example) and there is a chance that I can stop the attack, Islam dictates that I &lt;B&gt;MUST&lt;/B&gt; help her.  I must do what I can to stop the assault, even if it results in my own death.  I&#039;m not going to pretend that it would be an easy decision to make, but I believe that any practicing Muslim would make it, inshaAllah.

In short:  Muslims MUST be a part of society, and cannot adopt on destructive ideas like &quot;individualism&quot;.

Now, as for becoming an MP:  All Muslims are forbidden from believing in secularism.  Islam has a legal system - the Shariah.  As Muslims we know this to come from the Creator, and as such it has to take precedence over all other systems.  

When an MP is involved in legislation, he or she is frequently involved in making individual laws that oppose Islam.  Take the example of deciding the age of consent for homosexual sex (as actually happened in Britain).  The vote was about whether it was to be 18 or 16 years of age.  It is not permissible for a Muslim to take either decision - they are both haram.

More significantly, the process of legislation itself is reserved for Allah.  You can see examples of the evidence for this idea in the comments above, though a more in-depth discussion is necessary to really understand it.

Muslims are REQUIRED to be politicians (as you might have guessed from the title of this Blog), but that does not mean becoming an MP.  There are plenty of politicians, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who do not &quot;take office&quot;.

I&#039;d love to hear your ideas on the rest of this post.  The example you brought at the end of your comment is fantastic!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;173&#039;,&#039;Shaykh Rattle \&#039;n\&#039; Roll&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;173&#039;,&#039;Shaykh Rattle \&#039;n\&#039; Roll&#039;,&#039;&lt;B&gt;Phu:&lt;\/B&gt;\n\nThanks for your comment.  My statement was not meant to indicate that a Muslim cannot be part British society (or any society).  In fact it is a religious obligation on me and every other Muslim.  \n\nI would even go as far as to say that all British MPs are necessarily members of British society, and that specifically the Muslim MPs are ostensibly a part of the Ummah (the worldwide body of Muslims).\n\nMy statement was specifically about service to a master.\n\nI am quite willing to follow the laws of this country, or any other country assuming that it does not offend my principles as a Muslim.  For example, if it becomes unlawful under British law to pray 5 times a day, I would be forced to challenge the law or to leave Britain.  \n\nEven if one was to consider religion as a source of \&quot;morals\&quot;, this would be the case for everyone.  It is not OK for soldiers to \&quot;just follow orders\&quot;, like in the holocaust, when the orders contravene the moral actions expected of a human being.\n\nFor Muslims, the source of our \&quot;moral\&quot; code is Islam.\n\nI fully agree that we live in a shared society.  This is a plain statement of fact, as is the fact that we are linked.  There is nothing in Islam that contradicts this idea; indeed it is part and parcel of our understanding of the will of God.\n\nLet me give two simple examples of this complex topic:  I am sinful if my neighbours - 7 houses on either side - are hungry while I have food.  It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not.  I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.\n\nExample 2:  If I see a woman being attacked (sexually, for example) and there is a chance that I can stop the attack, Islam dictates that I &lt;B&gt;MUST&lt;\/B&gt; help her.  I must do what I can to stop the assault, even if it results in my own death.  I\&#039;m not going to pretend that it would be an easy decision to make, but I believe that any practicing Muslim would make it, inshaAllah.\n\nIn short:  Muslims MUST be a part of society, and cannot adopt on destructive ideas like \&quot;individualism\&quot;.\n\nNow, as for becoming an MP:  All Muslims are forbidden from believing in secularism.  Islam has a legal system - the Shariah.  As Muslims we know this to come from the Creator, and as such it has to take precedence over all other systems.  \n\nWhen an MP is involved in legislation, he or she is frequently involved in making individual laws that oppose Islam.  Take the example of deciding the age of consent for homosexual sex (as actually happened in Britain).  The vote was about whether it was to be 18 or 16 years of age.  It is not permissible for a Muslim to take either decision - they are both haram.\n\nMore significantly, the process of legislation itself is reserved for Allah.  You can see examples of the evidence for this idea in the comments above, though a more in-depth discussion is necessary to really understand it.\n\nMuslims are REQUIRED to be politicians (as you might have guessed from the title of this Blog), but that does not mean becoming an MP.  There are plenty of politicians, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who do not \&quot;take office\&quot;.\n\nI\&#039;d love to hear your ideas on the rest of this post.  The example you brought at the end of your comment is fantastic!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Phu:</b></p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  My statement was not meant to indicate that a Muslim cannot be part British society (or any society).  In fact it is a religious obligation on me and every other Muslim.  </p>
<p>I would even go as far as to say that all British MPs are necessarily members of British society, and that specifically the Muslim MPs are ostensibly a part of the Ummah (the worldwide body of Muslims).</p>
<p>My statement was specifically about service to a master.</p>
<p>I am quite willing to follow the laws of this country, or any other country assuming that it does not offend my principles as a Muslim.  For example, if it becomes unlawful under British law to pray 5 times a day, I would be forced to challenge the law or to leave Britain.  </p>
<p>Even if one was to consider religion as a source of &#8220;morals&#8221;, this would be the case for everyone.  It is not OK for soldiers to &#8220;just follow orders&#8221;, like in the holocaust, when the orders contravene the moral actions expected of a human being.</p>
<p>For Muslims, the source of our &#8220;moral&#8221; code is Islam.</p>
<p>I fully agree that we live in a shared society.  This is a plain statement of fact, as is the fact that we are linked.  There is nothing in Islam that contradicts this idea; indeed it is part and parcel of our understanding of the will of God.</p>
<p>Let me give two simple examples of this complex topic:  I am sinful if my neighbours &#8211; 7 houses on either side &#8211; are hungry while I have food.  It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not.  I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.</p>
<p>Example 2:  If I see a woman being attacked (sexually, for example) and there is a chance that I can stop the attack, Islam dictates that I <b>MUST</b> help her.  I must do what I can to stop the assault, even if it results in my own death.  I&#8217;m not going to pretend that it would be an easy decision to make, but I believe that any practicing Muslim would make it, inshaAllah.</p>
<p>In short:  Muslims MUST be a part of society, and cannot adopt on destructive ideas like &#8220;individualism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, as for becoming an MP:  All Muslims are forbidden from believing in secularism.  Islam has a legal system &#8211; the Shariah.  As Muslims we know this to come from the Creator, and as such it has to take precedence over all other systems.  </p>
<p>When an MP is involved in legislation, he or she is frequently involved in making individual laws that oppose Islam.  Take the example of deciding the age of consent for homosexual sex (as actually happened in Britain).  The vote was about whether it was to be 18 or 16 years of age.  It is not permissible for a Muslim to take either decision &#8211; they are both haram.</p>
<p>More significantly, the process of legislation itself is reserved for Allah.  You can see examples of the evidence for this idea in the comments above, though a more in-depth discussion is necessary to really understand it.</p>
<p>Muslims are REQUIRED to be politicians (as you might have guessed from the title of this Blog), but that does not mean becoming an MP.  There are plenty of politicians, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who do not &#8220;take office&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear your ideas on the rest of this post.  The example you brought at the end of your comment is fantastic!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('173','Shaykh Rattle \'n\' Roll'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('173','Shaykh Rattle \'n\' Roll','&lt;B&gt;Phu:&lt;\/B&gt;\n\nThanks for your comment.  My statement was not meant to indicate that a Muslim cannot be part British society (or any society).  In fact it is a religious obligation on me and every other Muslim.  \n\nI would even go as far as to say that all British MPs are necessarily members of British society, and that specifically the Muslim MPs are ostensibly a part of the Ummah (the worldwide body of Muslims).\n\nMy statement was specifically about service to a master.\n\nI am quite willing to follow the laws of this country, or any other country assuming that it does not offend my principles as a Muslim.  For example, if it becomes unlawful under British law to pray 5 times a day, I would be forced to challenge the law or to leave Britain.  \n\nEven if one was to consider religion as a source of \&quot;morals\&quot;, this would be the case for everyone.  It is not OK for soldiers to \&quot;just follow orders\&quot;, like in the holocaust, when the orders contravene the moral actions expected of a human being.\n\nFor Muslims, the source of our \&quot;moral\&quot; code is Islam.\n\nI fully agree that we live in a shared society.  This is a plain statement of fact, as is the fact that we are linked.  There is nothing in Islam that contradicts this idea; indeed it is part and parcel of our understanding of the will of God.\n\nLet me give two simple examples of this complex topic:  I am sinful if my neighbours - 7 houses on either side - are hungry while I have food.  It makes no difference what their religion is, or whether they happen to be on one side of a national border or not.  I am linked to them, and they to me, and I have an Islamic duty towards them.\n\nExample 2:  If I see a woman being attacked (sexually, for example) and there is a chance that I can stop the attack, Islam dictates that I &lt;B&gt;MUST&lt;\/B&gt; help her.  I must do what I can to stop the assault, even if it results in my own death.  I\'m not going to pretend that it would be an easy decision to make, but I believe that any practicing Muslim would make it, inshaAllah.\n\nIn short:  Muslims MUST be a part of society, and cannot adopt on destructive ideas like \&quot;individualism\&quot;.\n\nNow, as for becoming an MP:  All Muslims are forbidden from believing in secularism.  Islam has a legal system - the Shariah.  As Muslims we know this to come from the Creator, and as such it has to take precedence over all other systems.  \n\nWhen an MP is involved in legislation, he or she is frequently involved in making individual laws that oppose Islam.  Take the example of deciding the age of consent for homosexual sex (as actually happened in Britain).  The vote was about whether it was to be 18 or 16 years of age.  It is not permissible for a Muslim to take either decision - they are both haram.\n\nMore significantly, the process of legislation itself is reserved for Allah.  You can see examples of the evidence for this idea in the comments above, though a more in-depth discussion is necessary to really understand it.\n\nMuslims are REQUIRED to be politicians (as you might have guessed from the title of this Blog), but that does not mean becoming an MP.  There are plenty of politicians, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who do not \&quot;take office\&quot;.\n\nI\'d love to hear your ideas on the rest of this post.  The example you brought at the end of your comment is fantastic!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<dc:creator>Phu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it is inherently impossible for Muslim MPs to serve both masters. They are actively choosing between the legal system of Allah and that of Britain&quot;

What worries me here is the idea that you cannot be a Muslim and and be a part of this society. I am not Muslim, although hold no contempt for, or fear of any man because of his religion. Could you help me understand what you are suggesting? 

Is it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?

That might sound perfectly alright to you, it doesn&#039;t to me.

I feel that as a shared society we all need to come together, our lives are inextricably linked, like it or not.

Take this as a response to just the part I have quoted here, please. 

The post as a whole would require a much wider response from myself, I know, especially as I did NOT agree with the 90 day bill.

It&#039;s interesting you mention Sinn Fein.

Those terrorists still on the run in Northern Ireland, Catholic or Protestant, are to be given a reprieve. Guaranteed freedom just as Bliar attempted to take the freedom from any SUSPECTED (as opposed to the KNOWN Irish terrorists) Muslim.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;172&#039;,&#039;Phu&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;172&#039;,&#039;Phu&#039;,&#039;\&quot;it is inherently impossible for Muslim MPs to serve both masters. They are actively choosing between the legal system of Allah and that of Britain\&quot;\n\nWhat worries me here is the idea that you cannot be a Muslim and and be a part of this society. I am not Muslim, although hold no contempt for, or fear of any man because of his religion. Could you help me understand what you are suggesting? \n\nIs it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?\n\nThat might sound perfectly alright to you, it doesn\&#039;t to me.\n\nI feel that as a shared society we all need to come together, our lives are inextricably linked, like it or not.\n\nTake this as a response to just the part I have quoted here, please. \n\nThe post as a whole would require a much wider response from myself, I know, especially as I did NOT agree with the 90 day bill.\n\nIt\&#039;s interesting you mention Sinn Fein.\n\nThose terrorists still on the run in Northern Ireland, Catholic or Protestant, are to be given a reprieve. Guaranteed freedom just as Bliar attempted to take the freedom from any SUSPECTED (as opposed to the KNOWN Irish terrorists) Muslim.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it is inherently impossible for Muslim MPs to serve both masters. They are actively choosing between the legal system of Allah and that of Britain&#8221;</p>
<p>What worries me here is the idea that you cannot be a Muslim and and be a part of this society. I am not Muslim, although hold no contempt for, or fear of any man because of his religion. Could you help me understand what you are suggesting? </p>
<p>Is it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?</p>
<p>That might sound perfectly alright to you, it doesn&#8217;t to me.</p>
<p>I feel that as a shared society we all need to come together, our lives are inextricably linked, like it or not.</p>
<p>Take this as a response to just the part I have quoted here, please. </p>
<p>The post as a whole would require a much wider response from myself, I know, especially as I did NOT agree with the 90 day bill.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting you mention Sinn Fein.</p>
<p>Those terrorists still on the run in Northern Ireland, Catholic or Protestant, are to be given a reprieve. Guaranteed freedom just as Bliar attempted to take the freedom from any SUSPECTED (as opposed to the KNOWN Irish terrorists) Muslim.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('172','Phu'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('172','Phu','\&quot;it is inherently impossible for Muslim MPs to serve both masters. They are actively choosing between the legal system of Allah and that of Britain\&quot;\n\nWhat worries me here is the idea that you cannot be a Muslim and and be a part of this society. I am not Muslim, although hold no contempt for, or fear of any man because of his religion. Could you help me understand what you are suggesting? \n\nIs it that you will never follow the laws of this country or feel allegiance towards it?\n\nThat might sound perfectly alright to you, it doesn\'t to me.\n\nI feel that as a shared society we all need to come together, our lives are inextricably linked, like it or not.\n\nTake this as a response to just the part I have quoted here, please. \n\nThe post as a whole would require a much wider response from myself, I know, especially as I did NOT agree with the 90 day bill.\n\nIt\'s interesting you mention Sinn Fein.\n\nThose terrorists still on the run in Northern Ireland, Catholic or Protestant, are to be given a reprieve. Guaranteed freedom just as Bliar attempted to take the freedom from any SUSPECTED (as opposed to the KNOWN Irish terrorists) Muslim.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jacare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a Tafseer of this ayat in Ibn Kathir that explains that if one abandons Allah `s rulings by conviction then he is a Kaafir but if one abandons Allah`s ruling by laziness, then he is a Fasiq (open sinner). Actually in the same surah (Al Maidah, the Table spread with food), Allah (swt) says that &quot;whosoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, they are the Zaalimoon&quot; and anotehr ayat, it mentions Faasiqoon 
AND Allah (swt) knows best.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;171&#039;,&#039;Jacare&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;171&#039;,&#039;Jacare&#039;,&#039;I think there is a Tafseer of this ayat in Ibn Kathir that explains that if one abandons Allah `s rulings by conviction then he is a Kaafir but if one abandons Allah`s ruling by laziness, then he is a Fasiq (open sinner). Actually in the same surah (Al Maidah, the Table spread with food), Allah (swt) says that \&quot;whosoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, they are the Zaalimoon\&quot; and anotehr ayat, it mentions Faasiqoon \nAND Allah (swt) knows best.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a Tafseer of this ayat in Ibn Kathir that explains that if one abandons Allah `s rulings by conviction then he is a Kaafir but if one abandons Allah`s ruling by laziness, then he is a Fasiq (open sinner). Actually in the same surah (Al Maidah, the Table spread with food), Allah (swt) says that &#8220;whosoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, they are the Zaalimoon&#8221; and anotehr ayat, it mentions Faasiqoon<br />
AND Allah (swt) knows best.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('171','Jacare'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('171','Jacare','I think there is a Tafseer of this ayat in Ibn Kathir that explains that if one abandons Allah `s rulings by conviction then he is a Kaafir but if one abandons Allah`s ruling by laziness, then he is a Fasiq (open sinner). Actually in the same surah (Al Maidah, the Table spread with food), Allah (swt) says that \&quot;whosoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, they are the Zaalimoon\&quot; and anotehr ayat, it mentions Faasiqoon \nAND Allah (swt) knows best.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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