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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/ask-osama-i-mean-obama.html#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When involving in interest based politics, the rule of the jungle applies "Might is Right". As a Muslim, trying to establish our own interests in this system will make us subjected to the above notion. Thus being in any western country, it is highly unlikely for us to become "Mighty" enough to be effective.

Like Brother Robert mentioned we have to deal with the "real world" to contend with and seek our path. Who else can be a better example than our beloved Prophet Muhammed (saw). He (saw) catagorically rejected entering the then prevailing political system and did to speak to politicians of that time execpt to further progress the call of Islam explicitly.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('860','Observer'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('860','Observer','When involving in interest based politics, the rule of the jungle applies \&#34;Might is Right\&#34;. As a Muslim, trying to establish our own interests in this system will make us subjected to the above notion. Thus being in any western country, it is highly unlikely for us to become \&#34;Mighty\&#34; enough to be effective.\r\n\r\nLike Brother Robert mentioned we have to deal with the \&#34;real world\&#34; to contend with and seek our path. Who else can be a better example than our beloved Prophet Muhammed (saw). He (saw) catagorically rejected entering the then prevailing political system and did to speak to politicians of that time execpt to further progress the call of Islam explicitly.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When involving in interest based politics, the rule of the jungle applies &#8220;Might is Right&#8221;. As a Muslim, trying to establish our own interests in this system will make us subjected to the above notion. Thus being in any western country, it is highly unlikely for us to become &#8220;Mighty&#8221; enough to be effective.</p>
<p>Like Brother Robert mentioned we have to deal with the &#8220;real world&#8221; to contend with and seek our path. Who else can be a better example than our beloved Prophet Muhammed (saw). He (saw) catagorically rejected entering the then prevailing political system and did to speak to politicians of that time execpt to further progress the call of Islam explicitly.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('860','Observer'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('860','Observer','When involving in interest based politics, the rule of the jungle applies \&quot;Might is Right\&quot;. As a Muslim, trying to establish our own interests in this system will make us subjected to the above notion. Thus being in any western country, it is highly unlikely for us to become \&quot;Mighty\&quot; enough to be effective.\r\n\r\nLike Brother Robert mentioned we have to deal with the \&quot;real world\&quot; to contend with and seek our path. Who else can be a better example than our beloved Prophet Muhammed (saw). He (saw) catagorically rejected entering the then prevailing political system and did to speak to politicians of that time execpt to further progress the call of Islam explicitly.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: the traveller</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/ask-osama-i-mean-obama.html#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>the traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair comment Robert and you're absolutely correct in that there is no significant opposition to AIPAC hence them being an incumbent for any presidential hopeful to please.

The Muslims as a whole need to have unified political will and get over their inferiority complex. The Muslim nations are most economically strong of the emerging regions, to the degree that if there was some political coordination it would be the Muslim nations that would be an economic threat over India or China.

But before all that, it is us, the "joe ummah" on the street that need to align ourselves to a valid perspective, like representatives of AIPAC, we need to understand what our goal is, what our motives are, where our destiny lies. Only then will political coordination come about to rival the likes of AIPAC.

It is up to like minded individuals like yourself that need to engage with all strata of society from the Muslim perspective, and the need for greater political coordination along Islamic etiquette. It is also upon yourself to engage the Muslims and give them the correct direction such that they rid themselves of this identity crisis and establish themselves firmly within Western society by way of taking influential positions within an economic framework.

Until then, we will just be at the behest of the political hurdles every presidential candidate will need to jump to be successful and bring about 'change'.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('859','the traveller'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('859','the traveller','Fair comment Robert and you\'re absolutely correct in that there is no significant opposition to AIPAC hence them being an incumbent for any presidential hopeful to please.\r\n\r\nThe Muslims as a whole need to have unified political will and get over their inferiority complex. The Muslim nations are most economically strong of the emerging regions, to the degree that if there was some political coordination it would be the Muslim nations that would be an economic threat over India or China.\r\n\r\nBut before all that, it is us, the \&#34;joe ummah\&#34; on the street that need to align ourselves to a valid perspective, like representatives of AIPAC, we need to understand what our goal is, what our motives are, where our destiny lies. Only then will political coordination come about to rival the likes of AIPAC.\r\n\r\nIt is up to like minded individuals like yourself that need to engage with all strata of society from the Muslim perspective, and the need for greater political coordination along Islamic etiquette. It is also upon yourself to engage the Muslims and give them the correct direction such that they rid themselves of this identity crisis and establish themselves firmly within Western society by way of taking influential positions within an economic framework.\r\n\r\nUntil then, we will just be at the behest of the political hurdles every presidential candidate will need to jump to be successful and bring about \'change\'.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comment Robert and you&#8217;re absolutely correct in that there is no significant opposition to AIPAC hence them being an incumbent for any presidential hopeful to please.</p>
<p>The Muslims as a whole need to have unified political will and get over their inferiority complex. The Muslim nations are most economically strong of the emerging regions, to the degree that if there was some political coordination it would be the Muslim nations that would be an economic threat over India or China.</p>
<p>But before all that, it is us, the &#8220;joe ummah&#8221; on the street that need to align ourselves to a valid perspective, like representatives of AIPAC, we need to understand what our goal is, what our motives are, where our destiny lies. Only then will political coordination come about to rival the likes of AIPAC.</p>
<p>It is up to like minded individuals like yourself that need to engage with all strata of society from the Muslim perspective, and the need for greater political coordination along Islamic etiquette. It is also upon yourself to engage the Muslims and give them the correct direction such that they rid themselves of this identity crisis and establish themselves firmly within Western society by way of taking influential positions within an economic framework.</p>
<p>Until then, we will just be at the behest of the political hurdles every presidential candidate will need to jump to be successful and bring about &#8216;change&#8217;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('859','the traveller'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('859','the traveller','Fair comment Robert and you\'re absolutely correct in that there is no significant opposition to AIPAC hence them being an incumbent for any presidential hopeful to please.\r\n\r\nThe Muslims as a whole need to have unified political will and get over their inferiority complex. The Muslim nations are most economically strong of the emerging regions, to the degree that if there was some political coordination it would be the Muslim nations that would be an economic threat over India or China.\r\n\r\nBut before all that, it is us, the \&quot;joe ummah\&quot; on the street that need to align ourselves to a valid perspective, like representatives of AIPAC, we need to understand what our goal is, what our motives are, where our destiny lies. Only then will political coordination come about to rival the likes of AIPAC.\r\n\r\nIt is up to like minded individuals like yourself that need to engage with all strata of society from the Muslim perspective, and the need for greater political coordination along Islamic etiquette. It is also upon yourself to engage the Muslims and give them the correct direction such that they rid themselves of this identity crisis and establish themselves firmly within Western society by way of taking influential positions within an economic framework.\r\n\r\nUntil then, we will just be at the behest of the political hurdles every presidential candidate will need to jump to be successful and bring about \'change\'.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Robert Salaam</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/ask-osama-i-mean-obama.html#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Salaam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Salaam Alaikum,

I find this article to be more proof of the problem with the Muslim world in general.

We continue with this false notion of all or nothing in a very real world we have to contend with.

Furthermore, many continue to chime in on American politics with zero experience in them.

Policy is dictated by support.  If you want to change the policy than you have to back that up by working to do so as a bloc.

The civil rights act, was only passed because of this method.  It is well recorded that President Lydon Johnson told Dr. King to make him change the policy and he did just that.

The Israeli favoritism is only the way it is because they don't have opposition.

We spend most of our energy burning flags and complaining meanwhile they are putting their money, resources, people, and vote together to help shape policy.

Choosing a President in America or any other office is about representation.

If a candidate doesn't represent you, then you have to either make them through voting power, or produce your own candidates.

But to sit back and complain with zero solutions, does nothing.

So we can sit here and criticize all day, but if we don't engage and participate to further our interests, than others will and their interests will continue to supercede our own.

Now we can obviously just call the system corrupt and against Islam and it is, but what are we willing to do about that?

Well we could just leave the West, but where would we go?  Look at our lands?  When we have a model system that is working and in place, then we should flock to it, until then, let's work to change the one's we have.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('855','Robert Salaam'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('855','Robert Salaam','As Salaam Alaikum,\n\nI find this article to be more proof of the problem with the Muslim world in general.\n\nWe continue with this false notion of all or nothing in a very real world we have to contend with.\n\nFurthermore, many continue to chime in on American politics with zero experience in them.\n\nPolicy is dictated by support.  If you want to change the policy than you have to back that up by working to do so as a bloc.\n\nThe civil rights act, was only passed because of this method.  It is well recorded that President Lydon Johnson told Dr. King to make him change the policy and he did just that.\n\nThe Israeli favoritism is only the way it is because they don\'t have opposition.\n\nWe spend most of our energy burning flags and complaining meanwhile they are putting their money, resources, people, and vote together to help shape policy.\n\nChoosing a President in America or any other office is about representation.\n\nIf a candidate doesn\'t represent you, then you have to either make them through voting power, or produce your own candidates.\n\nBut to sit back and complain with zero solutions, does nothing.\n\nSo we can sit here and criticize all day, but if we don\'t engage and participate to further our interests, than others will and their interests will continue to supercede our own.\n\nNow we can obviously just call the system corrupt and against Islam and it is, but what are we willing to do about that?\n\nWell we could just leave the West, but where would we go?  Look at our lands?  When we have a model system that is working and in place, then we should flock to it, until then, let\'s work to change the one\'s we have.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Salaam Alaikum,</p>
<p>I find this article to be more proof of the problem with the Muslim world in general.</p>
<p>We continue with this false notion of all or nothing in a very real world we have to contend with.</p>
<p>Furthermore, many continue to chime in on American politics with zero experience in them.</p>
<p>Policy is dictated by support.  If you want to change the policy than you have to back that up by working to do so as a bloc.</p>
<p>The civil rights act, was only passed because of this method.  It is well recorded that President Lydon Johnson told Dr. King to make him change the policy and he did just that.</p>
<p>The Israeli favoritism is only the way it is because they don&#8217;t have opposition.</p>
<p>We spend most of our energy burning flags and complaining meanwhile they are putting their money, resources, people, and vote together to help shape policy.</p>
<p>Choosing a President in America or any other office is about representation.</p>
<p>If a candidate doesn&#8217;t represent you, then you have to either make them through voting power, or produce your own candidates.</p>
<p>But to sit back and complain with zero solutions, does nothing.</p>
<p>So we can sit here and criticize all day, but if we don&#8217;t engage and participate to further our interests, than others will and their interests will continue to supercede our own.</p>
<p>Now we can obviously just call the system corrupt and against Islam and it is, but what are we willing to do about that?</p>
<p>Well we could just leave the West, but where would we go?  Look at our lands?  When we have a model system that is working and in place, then we should flock to it, until then, let&#8217;s work to change the one&#8217;s we have.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('855','Robert Salaam'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('855','Robert Salaam','As Salaam Alaikum,\n\nI find this article to be more proof of the problem with the Muslim world in general.\n\nWe continue with this false notion of all or nothing in a very real world we have to contend with.\n\nFurthermore, many continue to chime in on American politics with zero experience in them.\n\nPolicy is dictated by support.  If you want to change the policy than you have to back that up by working to do so as a bloc.\n\nThe civil rights act, was only passed because of this method.  It is well recorded that President Lydon Johnson told Dr. King to make him change the policy and he did just that.\n\nThe Israeli favoritism is only the way it is because they don\'t have opposition.\n\nWe spend most of our energy burning flags and complaining meanwhile they are putting their money, resources, people, and vote together to help shape policy.\n\nChoosing a President in America or any other office is about representation.\n\nIf a candidate doesn\'t represent you, then you have to either make them through voting power, or produce your own candidates.\n\nBut to sit back and complain with zero solutions, does nothing.\n\nSo we can sit here and criticize all day, but if we don\'t engage and participate to further our interests, than others will and their interests will continue to supercede our own.\n\nNow we can obviously just call the system corrupt and against Islam and it is, but what are we willing to do about that?\n\nWell we could just leave the West, but where would we go?  Look at our lands?  When we have a model system that is working and in place, then we should flock to it, until then, let\'s work to change the one\'s we have.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Entebi Disaster</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/ask-osama-i-mean-obama.html#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Entebi Disaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who else then? Why do the Muslims have to vote only on 'Muslim' matters? Shouldn't they also respect true democrat values for say, universal healthcare. What about education, corporate governance and immigration? Labour rights, gun control, native americans? Obama and McCain stand miles apart on these issues. Aren't American Muslims deserving of this to?

There was a time when America didn't support Isreal. Its not written in our constitution. The right to choose is.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('854','Entebi Disaster'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('854','Entebi Disaster','So who else then? Why do the Muslims have to vote only on \'Muslim\' matters? Shouldn\'t they also respect true democrat values for say, universal healthcare. What about education, corporate governance and immigration? Labour rights, gun control, native americans? Obama and McCain stand miles apart on these issues. Aren\'t American Muslims deserving of this to?\r\n\r\nThere was a time when America didn\'t support Isreal. Its not written in our constitution. The right to choose is.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who else then? Why do the Muslims have to vote only on &#8216;Muslim&#8217; matters? Shouldn&#8217;t they also respect true democrat values for say, universal healthcare. What about education, corporate governance and immigration? Labour rights, gun control, native americans? Obama and McCain stand miles apart on these issues. Aren&#8217;t American Muslims deserving of this to?</p>
<p>There was a time when America didn&#8217;t support Isreal. Its not written in our constitution. The right to choose is.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('854','Entebi Disaster'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('854','Entebi Disaster','So who else then? Why do the Muslims have to vote only on \'Muslim\' matters? Shouldn\'t they also respect true democrat values for say, universal healthcare. What about education, corporate governance and immigration? Labour rights, gun control, native americans? Obama and McCain stand miles apart on these issues. Aren\'t American Muslims deserving of this to?\r\n\r\nThere was a time when America didn\'t support Isreal. Its not written in our constitution. The right to choose is.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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