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		<title>By: Alcohol Free Beer</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/life-without-alcohol.html/comment-page-1#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcohol Free Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love beer, but it is mostly alcohol free for me these days.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1263&#039;,&#039;Alcohol Free Beer&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1263&#039;,&#039;Alcohol Free Beer&#039;,&#039;I love beer, but it is mostly alcohol free for me these days.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love beer, but it is mostly alcohol free for me these days.
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		<title>By: the traveller</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/life-without-alcohol.html/comment-page-1#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>the traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats an interesting point Abdullah. I guess this is the worry i have with how problems are solved. Prohibition will never work in this society because it is a socially accepted past time, fully embedded within every social strata and equally championed by them as alluded to in the blog above (Observer article “Britons can’t imagine a life without booze”)</p>
<p>There are two conditions that will give way to a total prohibition of alcohol in society.</p>
<p>1) Life threatening consequences &#8211; If alcohol becomes decisively linked to fatality for the consumer or those around him/her.<br />
2) Change in social attitudes &#8211; If an extremely persuasive argument is made that convinces them of the detrimental effects, socially and physically, of alcoholic consumption.</p>
<p>The first condition seems inconceivable to result in a total prohibition, in that it is not decisively factual and never will be. It will entail alcohol spontaneously taking on poisonous characteristic rendering the smallest sip fatal. We’l strike that one off!</p>
<p>The second condition may seem plausible even if you go down the whole &#8216;Smoking can kill (eventually!)&#8217; line it will only manifest itself with a responsible drinking approach where large stickers are plastered on drink cans/bottles with &#8216;Drinking can rape and kill and waste tax monies etc&#8217;. But this will not lead to an absolute result.<br />
Anything beyond this line of argument will tend to an ideological debate. One that questions ones right to drink and smoke and do whatever to express oneself freely. A debate that aint really going to be entertained. Will it?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('793','the traveller'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('793','the traveller','Thats an interesting point Abdullah. I guess this is the worry i have with how problems are solved. Prohibition will never work in this society because it is a socially accepted past time, fully embedded within every social strata and equally championed by them as alluded to in the blog above (Observer article &acirc;Britons can&acirc;t imagine a life without booze&acirc;)\r\n\r\nThere are two conditions that will give way to a total prohibition of alcohol in society.\r\n\r\n1) Life threatening consequences - If alcohol becomes decisively linked to fatality for the consumer or those around him\/her.\r\n2) Change in social attitudes - If an extremely persuasive argument is made that convinces them of the detrimental effects, socially and physically, of alcoholic consumption.\r\n\r\nThe first condition seems inconceivable to result in a total prohibition, in that it is not decisively factual and never will be. It will entail alcohol spontaneously taking on poisonous characteristic rendering the smallest sip fatal. We&acirc;l strike that one off!\r\n\r\nThe second condition may seem plausible even if you go down the whole \'Smoking can kill (eventually!)\' line it will only manifest itself with a responsible drinking approach where large stickers are plastered on drink cans\/bottles with \'Drinking can rape and kill and waste tax monies etc\'. But this will not lead to an absolute result.\r\nAnything beyond this line of argument will tend to an ideological debate. One that questions ones right to drink and smoke and do whatever to express oneself freely. A debate that aint really going to be entertained. Will it?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ande ka phanda</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/life-without-alcohol.html/comment-page-1#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ande ka phanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a very interesting question.

From this society&#039;s perspective generally actions such as banning or prohibiting is something that is unacceptable unless in exceptional circumstances i.e guns. This is because there is strong mental mindset of an individual being able to do something whenever and whatever he/she wants to. The society is geared towards looking after the individual freedom and rights. Thus when the bill of prohibition was inacted in 1920, immediately it was getting increasingly unpopular, it did not fit with the psych of the general public. Coupled with the fact that many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Racketeering happened when powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies. 

So it was inevitable  to remove the prohibition as it caused more problems and disagreed with the individual&#039;s right.

In Islam the psych is completely different, when the prohibition of alcohol was revealed, the second the people heard they physically induced vomiting to remove any remenants of alcohol from the body fearing it will interfere with their salah.

To answer your question, prohibition in western society will not work, but there is evidence of it working in history.  

For a people where constraints are looked down upon as FREEDOM is their creed, law will always be looked upon with disdain.

For a people where they have a mentality of being slaves to Allah(swt), obeying the law will be an act of worship!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;792&#039;,&#039;Ande ka phanda&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;792&#039;,&#039;Ande ka phanda&#039;,&#039;Thats a very interesting question.\r\n\r\nFrom this society\&#039;s perspective generally actions such as banning or prohibiting is something that is unacceptable unless in exceptional circumstances i.e guns. This is because there is strong mental mindset of an individual being able to do something whenever and whatever he\/she wants to. The society is geared towards looking after the individual freedom and rights. Thus when the bill of prohibition was inacted in 1920, immediately it was getting increasingly unpopular, it did not fit with the psych of the general public. Coupled with the fact that many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Racketeering happened when powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies. \r\n\r\nSo it was inevitable  to remove the prohibition as it caused more problems and disagreed with the individual\&#039;s right.\r\n\r\nIn Islam the psych is completely different, when the prohibition of alcohol was revealed, the second the people heard they physically induced vomiting to remove any remenants of alcohol from the body fearing it will interfere with their salah.\r\n\r\nTo answer your question, prohibition in western society will not work, but there is evidence of it working in history.  \r\n\r\nFor a people where constraints are looked down upon as FREEDOM is their creed, law will always be looked upon with disdain.\r\n\r\nFor a people where they have a mentality of being slaves to Allah(swt), obeying the law will be an act of worship!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a very interesting question.</p>
<p>From this society&#8217;s perspective generally actions such as banning or prohibiting is something that is unacceptable unless in exceptional circumstances i.e guns. This is because there is strong mental mindset of an individual being able to do something whenever and whatever he/she wants to. The society is geared towards looking after the individual freedom and rights. Thus when the bill of prohibition was inacted in 1920, immediately it was getting increasingly unpopular, it did not fit with the psych of the general public. Coupled with the fact that many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Racketeering happened when powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies. </p>
<p>So it was inevitable  to remove the prohibition as it caused more problems and disagreed with the individual&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>In Islam the psych is completely different, when the prohibition of alcohol was revealed, the second the people heard they physically induced vomiting to remove any remenants of alcohol from the body fearing it will interfere with their salah.</p>
<p>To answer your question, prohibition in western society will not work, but there is evidence of it working in history.  </p>
<p>For a people where constraints are looked down upon as FREEDOM is their creed, law will always be looked upon with disdain.</p>
<p>For a people where they have a mentality of being slaves to Allah(swt), obeying the law will be an act of worship!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('792','Ande ka phanda'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('792','Ande ka phanda','Thats a very interesting question.\r\n\r\nFrom this society\'s perspective generally actions such as banning or prohibiting is something that is unacceptable unless in exceptional circumstances i.e guns. This is because there is strong mental mindset of an individual being able to do something whenever and whatever he\/she wants to. The society is geared towards looking after the individual freedom and rights. Thus when the bill of prohibition was inacted in 1920, immediately it was getting increasingly unpopular, it did not fit with the psych of the general public. Coupled with the fact that many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Racketeering happened when powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies. \r\n\r\nSo it was inevitable  to remove the prohibition as it caused more problems and disagreed with the individual\'s right.\r\n\r\nIn Islam the psych is completely different, when the prohibition of alcohol was revealed, the second the people heard they physically induced vomiting to remove any remenants of alcohol from the body fearing it will interfere with their salah.\r\n\r\nTo answer your question, prohibition in western society will not work, but there is evidence of it working in history.  \r\n\r\nFor a people where constraints are looked down upon as FREEDOM is their creed, law will always be looked upon with disdain.\r\n\r\nFor a people where they have a mentality of being slaves to Allah(swt), obeying the law will be an act of worship!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Abdullah</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/life-without-alcohol.html/comment-page-1#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you say to the following argument, that in the US in the 1920s, there was a prohibition of alcohol and people didn&#039;t care at all about it. Alcohol was then what cocaine is today. Can prohibition really work?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;791&#039;,&#039;Abdullah&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;791&#039;,&#039;Abdullah&#039;,&#039;What do you say to the following argument, that in the US in the 1920s, there was a prohibition of alcohol and people didn\&#039;t care at all about it. Alcohol was then what cocaine is today. Can prohibition really work?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you say to the following argument, that in the US in the 1920s, there was a prohibition of alcohol and people didn&#8217;t care at all about it. Alcohol was then what cocaine is today. Can prohibition really work?
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		<title>By: the traveller</title>
		<link>http://islamicpolitik.com/2008/06/life-without-alcohol.html/comment-page-1#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>the traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post and a poignant account of the ramifications of this socially accepted disease within the NHS.<br />
It was only today i read a report about the nations attitude towards alcohol and how large supermarkets are leveraging their profit on the back of this social attitude by slashing prices below cost price as a marketing initiative to lure customers in, to the tune that booze was as cheap to buy as fizzy drinks. (Metro , June 4th 2008)<br />
On the counter attack we have Police Chief Stephen Otter reporting the harrowing link between a rise in binge drinking and the general love for alcohol with the rise in sexual crimes, particularly rape, but imploring these multinationals to consider pricing responsibly rather than competitively.</p>
<p>This seems to be symptomatic of the nations approach of dealing with this endemic. To couple this is the new measure by the Government to set strict performance measures around financial management and standards of care and treatment that NHS managers have to meet or otherwise face the privatization axe where we will see primary care trusts and hospitals will go out to tender. </p>
<p>It seems the only metric that seems to count is the fiscal one. The government doesn’t know where its going as it with hands are bound by the shackles of political correctness and pragmatism. On one hand they cannot interfere with the free market and set prices proliferating the problem (why they don’t raise alcohol duty is beyond me) and on the other, they are setting strict measures on the NHS in the sober reality of this endemic further exacerbating the problem. Maybe im looking at it all wrong, maybe im being too harsh on the government. This is just my observation of the nations attitude towards alcohol and the financial hurdles the government has to consider before even getting close to the root of the problem.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('790','the traveller'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('790','the traveller','Excellent post and a poignant account of the ramifications of this socially accepted disease within the NHS. \r\nIt was only today i read a report about the nations attitude towards alcohol and how large supermarkets are leveraging their profit on the back of this social attitude by slashing prices below cost price as a marketing initiative to lure customers in, to the tune that booze was as cheap to buy as fizzy drinks. (Metro , June 4th 2008)\r\nOn the counter attack we have Police Chief Stephen Otter reporting the harrowing link between a rise in binge drinking and the general love for alcohol with the rise in sexual crimes, particularly rape, but imploring these multinationals to consider pricing responsibly rather than competitively.\r\n\r\nThis seems to be symptomatic of the nations approach of dealing with this endemic. To couple this is the new measure by the Government to set strict performance measures around financial management and standards of care and treatment that NHS managers have to meet or otherwise face the privatization axe where we will see primary care trusts and hospitals will go out to tender. \r\n\r\nIt seems the only metric that seems to count is the fiscal one. The government doesn&acirc;t know where its going as it with hands are bound by the shackles of political correctness and pragmatism. On one hand they cannot interfere with the free market and set prices proliferating the problem (why they don&acirc;t raise alcohol duty is beyond me) and on the other, they are setting strict measures on the NHS in the sober reality of this endemic further exacerbating the problem. Maybe im looking at it all wrong, maybe im being too harsh on the government. This is just my observation of the nations attitude towards alcohol and the financial hurdles the government has to consider before even getting close to the root of the problem.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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